hypermak wrote: ↑December 18th, 2019, 10:01 pm
Have you ever considered that:
1) not all women are "Western women" or "American women", in the pejorative sense this forum often uses
2) even some of the women as in 1), even a tiny percentage (5%? 2%?) might still be decent people and deserve a long term relationship, perhaps even one where marriage is in the picture
May I answer how I see the situation,
When I was young my situation was really bad, I never had any Western girlfriend, I understand why.
However when I was around 22 years old, I managed to improve my life considerably. I had a regular job in a banking institute, was owner of my own small condominium unit near the center of Vienna, had a small car, a motorcycle, free of debts, no criminal record, non-smoker, no alcohol, no gambling, some savings, and what was wrong with me? I still could not find any reasonable girl to be with me.
I also noticed that a few good women at the age of 20 were already taken by other serious men, and the remaining large group of women had either children as a single mom, had multiple boyfriends, socialized with gangsters, were solely into nightlife and hard drinks and - were making fun out of me - my condo was too small, my car too old, my income too low, no alcohol was an immediate turn away and nothing what I was working for was appreciated. What I have seen, Western women are really bad. I have a zero understanding and compassion for Western women who make bad decisions when choosing their men and are ending up divorced with children living a substandard life, were ending up in a clinic after taking drugs and tried to commit suicide, or ending up in a hospital after being beaten green and blue by their boyfriends...
Women, including how I was treated by my mother, half-sisters, female teachers and just 'ordinary girls next door' made me to a MRA/MGTOW, despite this term was unknown at that time.
Interesting I turned out clearly as a straight man, still looking out for a nice female friend - result was zero.
At that time I did not expect to end up with a foreign wife in a foreign country for the rest of my life.
3) assuming that it's very hard to find a needle-in-a-haystack good woman as in 2), going abroad (e.g. the Philippines where I live now) is a good way to increase those odds?
40 years ago, going abroad was a nice way to find a good foreign woman, not many foreigners around you when you took a trip to far away, to overseas, in my case to Asia.
But there were other problems, like East Europe was still closed, I was living only 30 km away from the 'iron curtain' at that time.
Immigrants were often Muslims, out of question, I will never be a Muslim, despite I left Catholic Church when I was 17.
Airfare was horrible expensive, at least 2 months salary, vacation was shorter, phone to overseas was very expensive, no internet, no ATM existing etc.. difficult to find books for studying foreign languages like Japanese, Malay, Thai...
visa difficulties everywhere - can you image, that I as an Austrian citizen when I was still a child, travelling without parents in a children group had to present a passport in my name with a valid visa for spending holidays in ITALY?
To increase the chance to find a good wife overseas was not easy, it was costly - how to earn so much money as a young man and how to bring her back to your own country....
4) if man finds a good foreign woman (e.g. a Filipina) worth having a relationship with, then marriage is, if anything, the easiest way to live with her hassle-free, travel hassle-free, give a proper family settings to the kids, etc.
5) the succes rates of relationships and marriages with said foreign women are inded much higher than that found in the US, Canada, the UK etc.
This is true, but only by my observation, if you are willing and able to settle down in her country, do not move her over to any Western country, but this is again a problem, what can you do in her country? How can you earn money there? Long-stay visa, working permit are also a problem.
I understand that not everybody can do that. To be successful for relocation is not so easy. Some men I meet frequently in Asia are doing this only after retirement holding some savings and retirement allowances and are already 55+, others are spending 5 months overseas, 7 months back to Europe to avoid to run out of money.
I could manage to live in Japan with the Japanese, but only after failing in Malaysia living with the Chinese....
It does look like some of you want to live a totally risk-free life. I don't know if life has been much kinder to you but, in my life, I have never achieved nothing worth having, nothing worth keeping without effort.
A relationship is a risk. Marriage is a risk. Our entire existence is a risk. Risk-reward.
I don't think this is a good advice. It is better to be risk-averse.
What I did - to move overseas and to create a mixed race family - was more than 40 years ago, the situation now is different.
Nowadays as I said, there is no incentive for a young man to get married at all... about women - enjoy, but maybe with bargirls against some cash, maybe girlfriends, maybe co-habitation with them for a while, but better keep it be responsible only to yourself...I see no reason why you should marry and sell out yourself. It is not about 'hating women, as feminists tell us', it is about existing legal concern.
I understand it's a bit sad what I say, but this is the reality today... better be safe than sorry.
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